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Ireland: Sinn Fein's Work in Dublin's Poor Neighbourhoods — Interview with John Noonan

International Viewpoint No. 97, 21 April 1986 · pp 22-24 · 3,309 words

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Sinn Fein's work

IRELAND with a minimum of sponstration, taneity. But the fact remains, nonetheless, that power is tightly centralized

It uses these by the Libyan junta.

in Dublin's poor transmission belts, committees as while maintaining an absolute monopoly of political expression, suppres sing all forms of opposition by police neighborhoods means, including the assassination of oppositionists abroad.

The Qadhafi regime has a certain Jacobin aspect, combining terror and popular mobilization.

As for the economy, the best capitalist testimony to its (state)

February in Tallaght, a new working-class suburb to the southwest essence was provided last year. Facing of Dublin by John Noonan, a local organizer of Sinn Fein. This is the sharp drop in its oil income, and following the example of all the other a vast flat area of soggy meadowland covered with an untidy scat-

Libyan oil the regime exporters, tering of basic cinder-block and concrete houses, overlooked by the acted in the same way or even worse blue Wicklow mountains. The Sinn Fein center was a couple of than its partners in Saudi Arabia or in the Gulf Emirates. It expelled without rooms over a store in a small shopping center behind a huge supercompensation tens of thousands of market. The area is almost a caricature of desolate urban sprawl, immigrant workers, mostly Tunisians and it was not made any more cheerful by the steady chill drizzle and Egyptians. It even expropriated them by blocking their bank deposits.

The logic of the capitalist market abruptly shattered

Qadhafi's anticapitalist pretensions. Just before that, he had been exhorting the workers of the entire world to take over their factories (!). At the same time, this gave the lie to his Arab nationalist pretensions. Being both Arabs and workers did not save the immigrant workers from being thrown out!

Such then are the limits of the

"Libyan revolution." They indicate that the Libyan regime cannot in any case be a trustworthy ally in the struggle against imperialism. Qadhafi has demonstrated abundantly that he is capable of turning somersaults, often quite unpredictably. Two movements have in fact recently experienced about face.

such an

The

Polisario Front in the Western Sahara was dropped in 1984 for the sake of

"Arab-African

Union"

sudden a between the Moroccan King Hassan II and Qadhafi, (3) who just before had been accused of plotting against the

Moroccan throne. The People's Liberation Army of the Sudan has been today abandoned so that Qadhafi could embrace

Sudanese regime, which is trying to continue the

Nemery state.

Solidarity

Libya against imperialism must be accompanied by combatting any illusions about the

Libyan regime in the world anti- imperialist movement. This, moreover, is the basic Leninist condition for any policy of alliances with nonproletarian social forces.

3.

This was a reaction by

Qadhafi to the rapprochement between

Algeria, long his ally, and his

Tunisian adversaries.

Subsequently, his reconciliation with the

Algerian President Chadli Bendjedid points

"union," which to a coming split in this remains completely symbolic.

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THE FOLLOWING interview was typical of the Irish late winter.

What sort of work do you do out of this center?

This is one of our most recently opened centers. We deliberately opened it in Tallaght because this is a major population area and three-quarters of the people in the would be unemployed. serve a number of purposes. In the main, people rights relative to social-welfare claims, housing and so forth. So, we give them the relevant information and urge them to take on the problem themalways help, however. People feel inadequate in dealing with government officials. It's then that Sinn Fein becomes the vehicle that the people can use.

Q. How does that differ from the patronage work that the blished parties do?

A. We see our work as different from the clientelism that the other parties would be into. People relate to this center, come in chat and tell us what their problems are, and we chase it up. The other side of our community work would be what term community action on issues relevant to the community overall jobs, proper facilities, facilities for youth in particular. We organize campaigns to pressurize the different government bodies to get these facilities.

Q. Other groups before you have tried this business of organizing people to demand their rights rather than just trying to do that for them. It's tended to fall back into running an given to Gerry Foley in early office that serves people rather than organizes them. How do you think you can avoid that?

Well, the history of our community action is there to be seen by anybody. We don't just take up the popular issues, that is, the issues that would get us votes. A typical example was the campaign against travellers (1) that was whipped up in this area the last year and the year before by the local politicians. There was mass took the view that the travellers were entitled to the same rights as the settled people, which was a minority view at the time. Our view won respect, and people have come to us ever since then and told us that we

When people ring us up about their problems, we urge them to the initiative themselves. It doesn't always happen that way, and we can't just tell them to go away if they won't do it for themselves. But they know that the next time they come it's not automatic that we wil! do it for them.

Q. What actual organizing work do you do?

A. What we have been successful in doing out in this area is organizing a number of tenants' associations, which take the responsibility for activity on community issues in the areas that they cover. We've formed

1. Something like gypsies. They are the descendents of people people deerant trade people, land who and then fell into poverty the old luce trades died. International Viewpoint 21 April 1986

unemployed for people who are on the dole. The first issue it took up was better conditions for

The situation here was that thousands had to queue out in the rain to go into a little caravan [trailer] to sign on.

We're organizing youth in the area. We have set up youth clubs covering specific areas. Tallaght is broken down into a number of areas. You

Feddercairn, which consists of 750 houses. what we try to do is get people to organize in their estates and then to collaborate when there's common problems affecting both.

Q. Do you have a big problem with youth crime in this area?

We did have. We had a major problem with "joy-riding" in particular. That is, kids would steal highpowered cars and then tempt the police out to chase them. That obviously endangers the people who live on the estates. So, a number of people were seriously injured, and a number injured and a number of joy riders

We went out to talk to these kids, and we found that we were the only adults they had ever talked to who had any kind of a caring view. We then developed a youth club, called the Setanta Youth (2), which covers this area. It includes a lot of the young people who had been involved in that sort of thing. We've given them an alternative for releasing their energy, in getting their youth club off the exposing the wrongs that happen in the area, exposing the misdeeds of the police and other state bodies. This has not solved the problem altogether, but it has saved a lot of young people from going

What about drugs? Dublin called the Concerned Parents Against Drugs in which we are involved. I am the chairperson of the Tallaght Concerned Parents Against Drugs. What we are doing here is more preventative - keeping drugs out. This is only a new estate. Two years evicted two drug pushers organizing people in the area to confront them. For a good number of seen pushers who were too dangerous to be tackled. now the people have seen that they have the power to deal with them. They have seen that when you actually go and knock on a drugpusher's door and tell him to get out, and when he looks out his door and sees 500 or 600 people outside it, that's it, he goes. There has never

Many physical violence used International Viewpoint 21 April 1986 against drug pushers out here. The publicity we got from that success wiped out the drugs problem in

Is there an exceptionally high proportion of youth in this area?

The census 70,000 people in the area. That leaves out a lot of the very young children in the estate. But of the official number, about three-quarters be below the age of 18. That's a mass of young people coming along with ideas and problems of their we hope to do is let them what's right for them, that's certainly not the system they're coming into. They're leaving school and there's nothing for them.

What impact has the nationalist cultural revival had on youth in this area? Is there anything here like West Belfast with the growth of Irish language classes and the audience for traditional music?

Tallaght is probably the area in Dublin that has sparked off the Irish revival in Dublin itself. We have three all-Irish schools, and two of them in West Tallaght, which is the most socially deprived area. It started with a small group of people who wanted their children educated through Irish. The parents raised the money for them. They also get a certain amount off the government. Now we have three schools catering for hundreds of children, and I think the way it's going that it will eventually take over the state, the National School. And they've done all that in the face of great opposition from the state. (3)

Originally, people wanted to get such schools are smaller than in the normal English medium schools. Then the parents. They listen to their children speaking Irish. And the schools run programs for the adults so that they can keep up with children are learning and talk to them

That's spreading. If you sit down with people involved in an Irish school, in a pub or wherever you are, and you start to speak a bit of Irish to them, they recognize it and can answer you. The embarrassment that speaking Irish, which thing in Irish society, has You mentioned the problem of travellers. Are there a particularly large number of them in the area?

Tallaght has been a tradistopping ground for the travellers. They were here before the settled people were.

As far as I know travellers have always been outside politics in Ireland. But I heard that you had some success in recruiting them.

We have. The young travellers have said that they've had enough of being pushed around by the est blishment, as they see it, by the settled

And since we have been involved with them over the years, they've tended to side with member of the Nan Joyce, stood here the general election a couple of for her and helped them run

Q. I've visited travellers' caravans, not here but down around Cork. It's obviously a very deprived life. What problems. There is also this accumulation of desperate travellers in Dublin, with large numbers of children begging.

That's a major problem right, the children who beg. Breaking is that the travellers entitled to continue their way of life, which is their tradition. settled people should give them as much help as we can. providing proper sites where can take their caravans, with running showers, toilets, that sort of We should pay more attention asking the travellers what they want. Because they do not want to be out in the streets or camped along-

You were a candidate in the European elections. What district did you run in and where did you get

The district covered all of the Dublin area, and we got our vote from places like Tallaght. We got our vote in places where Sinn been involved with the local people for some years.

Q. So you think that your vote was the result of your community work and not your involvement with the national question?

The boyhood name of the ancient bravery and honor above self-interest, symbol of the sacrifice of nationalist fighters and of the Dublin uprising.

3. The language revival implied the determination to build a totally independent Ireland. It has long been abandoned in reality by the rulers.

4. There are two reasons for this embarrassment. Since the great famine, Irish has been the language only of very poor and isolated rural groups. Since the establishment of an Irish state, the main people speaking it have been civil servants, priests, and teachers very middle-class elements, marked by stiffness and pretension.

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A. The bulk of the 15,000 people who voted for us would have done that because of our involvement with them on a community level.

Q. Was there an H-Block Committee here during the hunger strike?

A. There was a very active H-Block Committee. There is a successful committee now active in opposing strip searches of women political prisoners in Armagh jail.

Q. What proportion of the people active in the H-Block Committee are now involved in community work?

A. The H-Block Committee about 12 people, and a lot of those were non-Sinn Feiners. Of those 12, 10 would be members of Sinn Fein today, and the best part of those would be active in local work.

Q. How many people did you have in Sinn Fein before?

A. There would have been a solid nucleus of about six.

Q. By your accent, it's clear that you are a Dubliner, but I heard that you were imprisoned for a time in the North?

A. That's right. I was in the cages in Long Kesh from 1972 to 1976, before the H-Blocks were built.

Is there any connection tween your experience in the North and what you're doing here?

in the cages with a lot of people who have become prominent members of Sinn Fein since, Bobby Sands and Gerry Adams, for instance. There was a lot of discusdebate. In the early 1970s, people went in just on the national issue, then they began to discover the deeper issues involved, and therefore the relevance of this type of work.

When I was released in 1976, the problem was to get a lot of Sinn Fein people to see the relevance of this sort

Q. Do you find people are aware of the identification of Sinn Fein with socialism and movements such as the African National Congress?

A. A certain percentage of people are interested in what's happening in other places. But in the main, trying to survive in Tallaght is enough for anybody. What people want to know about here is what you are going to do about jobs for people here. But when we put out news sheets, we bring in the national question and national struggles elsewhere.

Q. What about education in the basic principles? I would imagine 24 that at least after a time people would wonder where all this is heading.

A. We have no education program at the moment. There are some

We can't get premises for meetings. The minister for education has instructed all the schools in this area not to give any rooms to Sinn Fein. The community centers only give a room once a year to all the political parties. You can only get a limited number of people into the front room of a house, and you certainly won't get them into a field in this kind

People are not really interested in

"isms" of political life. That is a barrier we have to break down. We have to break down the barrier keeps people from seeing the of the armed struggle, how

What we are doing here is all the time related to the armed struggle, to the necessity for the armed strug gle. Whenever we talk to people the armed struggle comes up.

Q. It would seem to me that there are two aspects to that. One is to explain why the armed struggle exists in the North, because of the pogroms, the British army, and all that. I would think that would be the easier aspect. But the other is the relevance of armed struggle here, where it has not really been seen since the civil war.

The media has imposed this idea that there is a 26-county and a six-county Ireland. We see the whole thing as a 32-county problem. If there is an armed struggle in six of those counties, it's very relevant to the people in the 26 also, and that has to be emphasized at every opportunity. We have to get people's minds geared up down here to understanding that the reason British soldiers or policemen are being shot up North is because Britain is safeguarding its interests in the 32 counties.

We have the hardest task here because we don't have a visible, readily identifiable enemy. People in the Six Counties have. We have to emphasize that the is to safeguard They have a visible hold in the North and a financial stranglehold in the

If we can smash their hold militarily in the Six Counties, then with the power that people have we can break their financial and political hold here. And doing that we set about a better society. But it is very hard to get that across to people. If you can get them to start thinking you have accomplished something.

The implication is that you find it much easier to reach people on economic issues than on the national question.

A. That's it.

Q. Are you making any progress on the second issue?

A. - We are, our growth shows that. We would have a membership now of about 60. Two-and-a-half years ago, we had one cumann [cell], with 10 to 15 people.

Q. This would be one of your stronger areas in Dublin?

A. It would.

Q. When did this growth start?

A. About two-and-a-half years ago.

Q. That was well after the end of the H-Block campaign.

A. Yes. There was a gap.

Q. So, essentially your growth is out of your community work.

A. It is, yeah.

Q. Would that be true of other areas in Dublin?

A. There is the North Inner City, where we have a councillor. There is also a strong area in Ballyfermot.

Q. Is Sinn Fein going to run a candidate out here in the general elections, which are now less than two years away?

A. Yes. It has been decided that we will contest this area on an abstentionist platform, as well as Dublin North Central, Dublin South Central, most of the Dublin constituencies.

your ard-fheis [congress] where abstentionism was debated, and the debate has consince in the letter columns of your paper. Do you find that it is something that people discuss here

Yeah, it has been an issue. There's no sense in saying that it hasn't. People are interested, and they're interested in putting their views to us. Some say we should stand on the basis that if we win we will take our seats, others no. But we are a principled party. We have taken principled stands that are unpopular right across the board and we will continue to do so until the ard-feis changes it.

Besides, people out here can relate to the abstentionist position. They can identify with not taking the money, the big cars, not sitting in the Dail [parliament] talking. It's more important to work out here on the ground than spend our time debating in the Dail.

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